Goodbye Starbucks | Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not

The last year I have been thinking over James 4:17 a LOT! In all areas of life whether it be work, politics, what I spend my time doing, the amount of  time I spend a day on the internet, physical health (what type of food I put in my body and the amount of exercise I put out), spiritual health, aaaaaaannnnnd where I go and spend the money God has given me. Yes, I have a point to this post and I am going to get to it VERY soon :)
“Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.” James 4:17
The decision I have made could be the breaking point of many friendship, all that have been held together by the  strong bond of Starbucks Coffee ;) (<complete joke. Friendships will still go on whether you go to starbucks or nor :)
Goodbye frappiccinos, Americanos, birthday cake pops, and anything else bearing the label “Starbucks”. Why? Some one  mention to my Dad a few days ago that Starbucks funds both the murder of babies (aka Planned Parenthood) and homosexuals. My Dad asked me to look into it and see if there was any truth and it was all true. If you would like to find out for yourself type ” does Starbucks supports planned Parenthood”  into any search bar or to make it easier read THIS article. So, goodbye Starbucks. Yes, I know what you are thinking, ” You can’t win every battle!” or “Every big company does this so where are you suppose to stop?” BUT in my opinion with knowledge comes responsibility and I now know or more appropriately worded, ” him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin”. So, I can’t and wont fund/support Starbucks because I know better. In supporting Starbucks any further, I am knowingly helping support both murder and homosexuality.” And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”

 Ephesians 5:11
So, now that you know are you with me?! ;)
“Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:13-16

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"Come now, and let us reason together," says the Lord, "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient you shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword"; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken." Isaiah 1:18-20

27 thoughts on “Goodbye Starbucks | Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not

  1. I gave up Starbucks a few years ago for those reasons and more. It's not as hard as it might feel at first. Really. ;)

    Good for you for following through with conviction, Rachel!

  2. God bless you for standing up for Truth, even though it requires sacrificing something you love!

    My family is also boycotting Starbucks, and other organizations which support/ fund sin, such as Disney + Pepsi.

    A great website,Children of God for Life, posted a list of companies to boycott because they support Abortion, and of food that contains Aborted Fetal Products! It is Sickening. Here is the link: http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalproductsall.pdf

    GOD bless!

  3. That is great to know. I have been boycotting Old Navy for the past year because last year they put out “Pride” shirts for gay pride week :/

  4. I will admit this article makes me a little sad because I LOVE Starbucks. (& I mean LOVE!) BUT I can not willing buy from them knowing what they support. Thanks for the information! :)

  5. Rachel I understand your position. This is a very hard topic to work through. But it is a question to be raised. We should be good stewards of our money and aim to glorify God in all we buy. To be honest I have not thought about this extensively and glad that you raised the subject.

    The main question is this it seems, am I responsible (or in what ways am I responsible) for the way that a company spends the money which I give them through purchasing their products?

    On one level what you are saying make sense. I don't want to see money being used for sinful things.

    Yet, where do we draw the line? We can easily see the issue if a company gives money to Planned Parenthood. But what if they donate money to a godless, pointless, PETA group? Should that warrant me boycotting them as well? See the issue with level of sins? At what point do we say, “this company is using the money in too wrong of manner?” And will not most companies use their profits in a sinful way in some fashion?

    Off this point, do I only buy products and services which the money will be used righteously? Can I hire a plumber who is a non-christian? In some way he will use it to fund some kind of sin (maybe he will go and get drunk the coming weekend with the profits he got from me). Do I limit myself to only hiring Christians?

    Then, how far away from my initial transaction does my responsibility end? If I buy a product from Wal-mart and the CEO of the company provides donations to Planned Parenthood am I still responsible? Or is it three transactions away?

    But there does seem to be a point where we would want to cut off. If a company said that all profit would go to funding such and such sinful organization I would not want to buy any of their products. But when a company uses part of their proceeds it seems different. The godless will act godless.

    And from another angle, Starbucks is also providing pay for several future godly pastors and church leaders here where I am. They work at the many Starbucks around Louisville to pay their way through Southern Seminary and to feed their families. This ties in with a “portion of the proceeds” issue. Unknowningly Starbucks is going to further spread the glory of Christ by the proclamation of the gospel by the coffee they sell. This is another angle to keep in mind. In buying one cup of coffee you may be funding an abortion or you may be funding Matt as he is off to plant a church in California.

    These are some initial push backs on your position to further our thinking on this topic. That way we can both work through the issue to reach the most wise and biblically faithful position we can. I will be asking around to others to see what they think about it. Thanks again for starting this disucssion.

  6. Hi Charlie,
    Thanks for your thoughts, they really got me thinking and going through scripture. All that you mentioned was discussed between my family and me before I posted my decision to “boycott” Starbucks. Can’t say I have the answers to all of the points your brought up but will be seeking wisdom from the Lord and His word. Here are my thoughts, I don’t do the best job at wording myself but hopefully you can sort them out. :) Please feel free to reprove me if I am out of line in any of my thoughts.

    “Learn to do good; seek justice, relieve the oppressed” Isaiah 1:17

    “Can I hire a plumber who is a non-christian? In some way he will use it to fund some kind of sin (maybe he will go and get drunk the coming weekend with the profits he got from me). Do I limit myself to only hiring Christians?”

    The point you bring up here is much different. You see, you are presuming that the plumber will go out after doing your job and get drunk and you don‘t even know the plumber. We KNOW planned Parenthood WILL open it’s doors tomorrow and kill approximately 822 babies before the day is over as they have done for the last 39 years (Planned parenthood performs 23% of all abortions) . There is nothing wrong with hiring a unsaved man to do a job or going to an establishment(store, restaurant , etc.) that does not have a Christian backing (although it is always great to support Christian businesses). But when you know what is going to happen with the money you hand over for a cup of coffee or a sink repair that is different it then becomes your responsibility. If the plumber says to you, “ really hoping to get this job cause I really needed some money to get drunk this weekend” you would most likely not give him the job.

  7. Part 2 :) Blogger cut off the remainder of my post!
    “But there does seem to be a point where we would want to cut off. If a company said that all profit would go to funding such and such sinful organization I would not want to buy any of their products. But when a company uses part of their proceeds it seems different. The godless will act godless.”
    I am not seeing the difference here? If I knew Starbucks was using all its proceeds instead of just a portion to support homosexuals and murder how would it make a difference?

    “And from another angle, Starbucks is also providing pay for several future godly pastors and church leaders here where I am. They work at the many Starbucks around Louisville to pay their way through Southern Seminary and to feed their families. This ties in with a “portion of the proceeds” issue. Unknowningly Starbucks is going to further spread the glory of Christ by the proclamation of the gospel by the coffee they sell. This is another angle to keep in mind. In buying one cup of coffee you may be funding an abortion or you may be funding Matt as he is off to plant a church in California.”

    Saying that Starbucks is unknowingly doing good by hiring these men is the same as saying Planned Parenthood is doing good because the provide cancer screening. I would think that those future pastors need to read this article and come to the realization that they, by working for Starbucks, are banding together with a company that wants to do all it can to “ provide an equitable, dynamic and supportive environment for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender(LGBT) partners.” (http://www.starbucks.com/career-center/career-diversity/partner-networks scroll down a bit to see direct statement). Proverbs 6:27 says, “Can a man carry fire next to his chest and his clothes not be burned? ” and 1 Corinthians 15:33 says, “Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals”. Perhaps the future pastors need to rethink their job, take a step out on faith, and look for other employment! I believe God will bless them for their faithfulness and conviction. God is faithful and will supply for the needs of His children.

    I don’t plan to do a back-ground check on each company before I spend my money with them but when my attention is brought to such blatant sin I definitely can’t plug my ears and continue giving money to that company. Why? Because I know better, I know what the good decision would be and if I don’t do what is right I will be sinning. If we can’t take stands for truth over a small cup of coffee how will we stand when bigger issues come our way? If it comes to a point that every restaurant or clothing company openly support homosexuality and fund abortion then I will never eat out again and sew my own clothing… or make an attempt to ;) We can’t turn a blind eye and knowingly support such companies just because we are afraid of giving up those things we enjoy! In doing so we are in a strange way directly funding the murder of babies and advancing the agenda of homosexuals. 2 Timothy 3:5 says, “from such turn away” or in another translation, “ from such FLEE”! We as Christians can not become luke warm or mediocre, we can not lose our saltiness or shine(Mat 5:13-16). Let us be on fire for Christ, advancing the gospel and keeping His commandments!
    “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” Proverbs 4:18

  8. Sorry for the delay in responding. The week gets pretty busy and it is hard to get enough time to write a response.

    Thanks for the through responses. Sadly I can't take the time to respond to each point right away. Your counter points are valid and I understand them well. But I can't spend the time to show agreement or disagreement for each one. Instead, let me go to one of the central points.

    I think that the section of 1 Corinthians 8:1-1:11 has some application to the discussion at hand,

    Now,as you probably know, the issue which Paul was dealing with in this section of 1 Corinthians was the eating of the meat. Some thought it was wrong to eat meat offered to idols. Paul answered by primarily saying that one should not cause another brother to stumble in this regard. But Paul would state that there is nothing wrong with eating the meat.

    With part of this discussion Paul states this in 10:25, “Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.” And the conscience he is talking about is the conscience of one who is against eating meat, “But if someone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice,' then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience—I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks?”(10:28-30).

    The reference to the meat sold in the market is important to our discussion. The meat which Paul is referencing here is leftover meat which was sacrificed in the temple and then sold in the market. Frank S. Thielman explains, “Because pagan temples offered parts of animals in sacrifice to the gods, they also often functioned as butcher shops and banqueting halls. Sometimes meals for trade guilds, clubs, and private dinner parties were held in a temple dining room. Often meat from a temple was sold to the public in the marketplace” (ESV Study Bible Notes on 1 Cor. 8:11-11:1).

    I think that this section may play into the present discussion in this way. If one bought meat from the temple was not one also financially supporting the temple? Not only was temple worship pagan worship but open prostitution was part of the worship there. So one was financially supporting all that came with the temple as well. But Paul would say that a Christian could buy the meat from the temple just fine. (Remember, the only reason one was not to ask questions was because of the person who thought it wrong to eat the meat.) Paul knew what went on in the temple but he was okay with Christians buying products from it.

    This hits on the central issue with the situation you raised: “at what number of transaction am I not responsible for how the money is used? To go back to my former illustration, “If I buy a product from Wal-mart and the CEO of the company provides donations to Planned Parenthood am I still responsible? Or is it three transactions away?” When I hand the my money over the counter to Starbucks am I responsible for how they use their money?

    From what I read in 1 Corinthians it seems like one can buy products from a company (temple) which itself is immoral. What do you think about this?

    Once again, thanks for this discussion. I am glad that we get to be driven to the Scriptures to find out what the bible says on this topic.

  9. I revised this a bit as I wrote it in a haste last night and my response came across as a little sharp(I apologize. I really didn't mean for it to sound that way at all.) Thanks for bringing up all your points, they have really encouraged me to really search out the word of God and my personal convictions regarding this matter!

    No need to apologize, completely understand about time constraints.

    Yes, I am very familiar with 1 Corinthians 8 and understand what Paul was talking about very well but don't think you can parallel paying for meat sacrificed to idols(lifeless) and paying for a cup of coffee with a portion going toward killing of a human life.

    “Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol IS NOTHING in the world, and that there is no other God but one.” 1 Corinthians 8:4

    “The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
    They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
    They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there any breath in their mouths.” Psalm 135:15-17

    “Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.” Habakkuk 2:18

    The difference here is that one is an idols and the other a child. Idols are useless, worthless, lifeless pieces of wood, silver, gold or what ever their substance is. So meat that is being sacrificed to idols is well, just scorched meat. Go to the market and buy meat that has been sacrificed to a pieces of wood, sure not a problem. Why? Because the idol is a man made invention that has no worth. Go to Starbucks, pay for a latte, and you are donating to the murder of a child. I can't see where meat sacrificed to idols and the murder of child can be compared.

    “Before I formed you I knew you…” Jer 1:5

    “When I hand the my money over the counter to Starbucks am I responsible for how they use their money?”

    Not until you have been enlightened to what is happening to that money. Once you know, it becomes your responsibility. Why? Because you now know a portion(whether great or small it makes no difference) of the$3.85 spent at Starbucks is going to be used to buy one of the the Starbucks employee a “Gay Pride” shirts they will be wearing as the march down the street during the parade or perhaps it will be going towards aiding a lady to walk into a Planned Parenthood and murder her child.

    “finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:10-11

  10. I fully agree with you Rachel that comparing the sacrifice of meat with abortion is a false comparison for the reasons you brought up.

    But let me clarify the point I was making with my last post. My comparison was not with meat and abortion it was with temple and abortion. The temple was an evil entity and so is planned parenthood. Within the temple you have horrendous religious practices of pagan worship which included prostitution. And one way the temple could make money was by selling its unused meat. And it is at this point where I am making the comparison. If one was going to buy meat which came from the temple were they not also financially supporting the temple? Thus, a Corinthian Christian was providing funds through an indirect way (meat market) to an evil entity (temple). Is that not the situation which is parallel to the present situation with Starbucks coffee? And to this situation Paul does not say anything about buying the meat as a wrong.

    Now, I will confess, that this is not my initial position of my first comment. If you remember I had reservations about seeing the money go to an evil entity through a company. With the situation at Corinth, although, these products are directly from that evil entity while just being purchased at another site. But that seems to be what the text is pointing to. I sure would have reservations about buying the meat for that reason if I could easily purchase other meat for little bit more. But Paul doesn't seem to give me the right to rebuke another brother or sister for not having those reservations. (Not that you are rebuking anybody.)

    Hope my clarification helps.

  11. Very helpful! :) And forgive the very late reply. Busy here! I see where you are coming from can't say I agree but I do see your point.

    Just want to apologize before I move forward. I am not judging those who go to Starbucks AT ALL nor was I in the past and hope it didn't sound like I was :) but I apologize if it sounded like I was being judgmental. If you go to starbucks I will still be your friend ;) I tend to get super excited about these subjects and forget to watch how gently my thoughts are processed from my brain to the keyboard :)

    My thoughts are, if we are pro-life and anti-homosexual and want desperately to see a change in this country why not take a stand and say “no” I will not and can not support Starbucks until there is a change. Starbucks is one of the bluntest pro-homosexual companies I have seen. Honestly! I haven't seen very many companies come right out and say what Starbucks has in regards to being pro-homosexual. Just as I have been led to stop supporting Starbucks many are doing with Disney, Pepsi, Old Navy, etc. They have seen the blatant rebellion toward God and desire to take a stand. I recently found out that PayPal and adobe both are on the list of Planned Parenthood supporters. I still use both because there is no other substitute. PayPal is practically the main source of online payment processing and I can't find a replacement for my business. I use Adobe's editing software daily and couldn't do my work without it. But Starbucks is replaceable. Just like in Corinth, they most likely didn't go out and look for the first meat vendors who advertised “meat offered to idols, buy here” to buy from but when they did buy from a vendor who may have gather their meat from temples they didn't need to worry. That is why I can walk into walmart or panera and not have to worry about looking up who they fund before I purchase from them.

    Anywho, this probably doesn't make any sense but this is my thought to date. :) Thanks taking time to comment and don't hesitate to leave more if you have further thoughts!!

  12. Thank you for the thorough discussion on this subject! It is so beneficial to work through an issue when God's grace and truth is demonstrated in the words and tone of a discussion.

    I am sorry if I communicated that you were being judgmental. That was not my intention at all. I tried to assure you that you were not by adding the qualifier, “Not that you are rebuking anybody.” So rest assured that I do not see you being judgmental of anyone.

    I see where you are coming from as well. Righteousness does not like wickedness. It is right to step back and think when it maybe the case that we are participating in wickedness. On the other end, I do not hold any judgment on you, or others, that would pull away from buying things at Starbucks or Old Navy if their consciences were against it. The aim of the body of Christ is not to make sure that each one eats at the same place and buys from the same place. The aim is to spur one another on to “righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” (Romans 14:17). I would rather be in fellowship with brothers and sister who were limited in their freedoms because they cherished Christ over a fellowship that was loose to the point of license.

    But I am still working through exactly where I land in buying from a company who supports wickedness. If Starbucks was very open about their support of abortion I probably would not buy anything from them. But there is still the grey area of how far away the transaction is going to be and all that. At this point I am thinking that God leaves it up to an individual's conscience as to when they will stop buying from a company.

    Now, I have done some research on how close Starbucks is with abortion. I tried to find the quote the article pulled and had to do some digging at the Planned Parenthood site (talk about walking into a dark cavern, I had weird feelings while I looked through the site.) I did not find the quote in an obvious spot or any upfront declaration that Starbucks supported the organization. It was not until I searched for Starbucks on the history of the site that I cam across where the quote was pulled from. It is pulled from an announcement for Planned Parenthood sites in Northern California (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/shasta-pacific/files/Shasta-Pacific/Matching_Gift_Employers_PPOL.pdf).

    The whole thing about “matching the donations” has two important qualifications for our discussions. First, it is only Starbucks in a select geography that could participate in this “Matching.” The Planned Parenthood corporation that this announcement is about is the PP sites in Northern California. The Main corporation is called “Shasta-Diablo” and is an umbrella for all the PP sites under it in that district. This means that the dollar I spend in Louisville, KY is far away from ending up in the hands of Shasta-Diablo.

    Second is the word, “may” found in the main statement in the heading. Starbucks Co. is not forcing its local stores to participate in the matching. They may or may not do it. It would depend on the manager of each store as to whether they would spend their money in such a way.

    Those two points, the first one being the main one, I think shed light on Starbucks and abortion in this case. It should not be thought of as that Starbucks is taking .02 cents of every dollar and giving it to PP. The transactions are happening much further along and, for those outside the select district, probably not happening at all.

  13. Now, we enter into the other issue you raised, homosexuality. To state upfront I believe homosexuality is a sin along with all other unbiblical means of sexual gratification.

    But, I have been dissatisfied with how the church has responded to this issue. Is there a cultural issue with the acceptance of this? Yes. But, I believe that the church has done wrong in singling out this one issue over against other issues and seeing it a solely a cultural issue. (Now, let me say that I am not saying that you are doing this. I am stating all this so that you can understand where I am coming from.)

    What we are mainly dealing with in homosexuality is a sin issue, not a cultural issue. (Abortion is a bit different because the action is immediately killing someone. I will stand outside an abortion clinic and plead with the women to not go through with it. But I see no reason to standout side a gay bar and protest.) Now, does the sin affect the culture? Yes. But if we don't see the primary issue with homosexuality as being a sin to be placed under the blood of the Lamb then we can be unfaithful to our calling in this regard and prove a hindrance to our witness.

    If we see it as a cultural issue primarily we will inadvertently set up a “us vs. them” mentality to relating to those giving over themselves to their sexual desires. But this mentality is not a gospel mentality. The gospel does not set up a “us vs. them” mentality instead it sets up a “us along with them” mentality. We are sinners with them. The difference being that we have run to the savior, Jesus Christ, to be redeemed from our bondage. The gospel instruct me to the fact that I use to be enslaved to various passions and lusts as they are. But I have been washed, justified, sanctified by Jesus and that I should desire the same for each person who gives into their homosexual desires and finds identity with the desires. I believe that the church has wrongfully set up a “us vs. them” mentality int his regards. Homosexuals are not, “invaders.” They are rebels just like you and me who need to forsake their sins and run into the arms of Jesus to find their identity not in their sexual desires but in what God declares them redeemed in Christ.

    Now, I know that was a lot. But I wanted to communicate my frame of mind when thinking about how to interact with homosexuality in regards to the culture. And again, please don't hear me pointing a figure at you in any of this. I notice your love for the Jesus and His glorious gospel in how you like it every time I talk about in on my blog. So I know you would want the gospel to affect your vision in this issue.

  14. So, with all that said, when I approach the issue of boycotting an organization because of homosexuality I am usually against the boycott. the reasons being that:
    1) It can communicate a “us verse them” mindset.
    2) It makes it seem like I am singling out homosexuality as a bigger sin than others. Why do we boycott for this sin and not for gossip? Are they both not sins that offend the Lord of glory?
    3) The boycott is not communicating the gospel but the law only. There is no problem about communicating the law if it is to drive one to Christ. But Christ is never mentioned in a boycott. All the homosexual community hears from a boycott is, “we believe you are sinners.” That is not the gospel.
    4) The boycott is easily used to against Christians to paint them as mean and uncaring. The message being sent to the homosexual is, “Here is the organization for you and there are the Christians against you.” Is the painting false? Yes. But it is easily communicated in a boycott.
    5) The boycott is not communicating that Christ is better than giving over to sinful sexual desires. The organization message is, “it is great to live as you feel.” The message of the church should be, “Christ is a never ceasing fountain of living water where as your sin is an broken vessel that will not satisfy.” Boycotting just says that we think homosexuality is bad.
    6) For many in the community, the only message that they here from the church becomes, “homosexuality is bad.” Many people do not know the gospel we proclaim. But when they read about the boycott or find out about it all they are hearing is that we think this action is sinful. The message of the church, however, is not, “homosexuality is a sin.” Instead it is, “all fall short of the glory of God and need a savior, Jesus Christ.”

    Those are some of the reasons which come to my mind at this time. There may be more. So I am not going to join a boycott of a company because of homosexuality.

    Now, you may disagree with me. Once again, I see your heart and know you are striving to honor God in your conduct. You can disagree with me and there be no break in fellowship. But I would encourage you to look more into how to think of homosexuality through gospel lenses. I posted a lecture on the topic not to long ago which is a very good introduction (http://renewingthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/a-christian-psychology-of-and-response-to-homosexuality/). Also, I finished reading this article not to long ago which gives a very good understanding of homosexuality (http://www.henrycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/Yarhouse-Homosexuality.pdf)

    Hope all this is a profit to you. Your comments do make sense and I am glad that you are sharing them. Hopefully my comments likewise make sense.

    P.S. I noticed you added an Andrew Peterson song to your background music. Good choice! how much have you listen to him?

  15. thank you for letting me know this information I heard it but now it’s confirmed. I’m bummed becsuse it’s so fun and they provide a great product. however this is a small thing to give up to be pleasing to our great God almighty ! Thank you ! how could I on 1 hand, engage in the sidewalk counseling and on the other hand I get my starbucks coffee and pastry. no I cannot be a hypocrite and this would be displeasing to our Lord.

  16. I didn’t know about Starbucks until church service when I walked in with a cup of coffee from there and I was told ,in disbelief I found your article and many more……. I will never go there again or old navy I need the Lord on my side not man. Thank you and I will be telling everyone I know . Continuing to preach the Gospel with Holyghost power.

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